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MG-20448: Rich Versus Roach / Buddy Rich and Max Roach

[Front Cover] Label Type : black Mercury type B
Matrix Number : SIDE-A MG 20448A MS1    FF
SIDE-B MG 20448B MS1    FF


Comments

Equivalent release: Mercury SR-60133 (stereo).

with original Mercury inner sleeve.

Nov. 24, 2004: replaced with earlier pressing. My previous copy is very similar to the 1st pressing, but the label is slightly different. The matrix was MGT 20448A MS1 and MGT 20448B MS1. Compare the label design with the one far below.

[MG-20448]
Side-A label of MG-20448 (my previous copy)
It has MGT prefix on matrix imprints,
which suggests this platter was pressed at the plant other than Richmond.

Inside The Groove

A battle of the great drummers. Full of drums solo plays in all tunes.

Personal Impression (and brief notes)

If we listen very closely to the artistries of the two great drummers - Buddy Rich and Max Roach, this LP is very interesting. However on the other hand, this LP lacks swingy arrangements as well as collective improvisations - it's very hard to listen to this LP through, if we treat the LP as ordinary Jazz album.

Strictly Personal Rating (to what extent I could enjoy this album)

5 out of 10



Track Listing

SIDE-A
A-1 18393-8 (JB493-8) Sing, Sing, Sing (With A Swing) (edited version) 4:06
A-2 18389-8 (JB489-8) The Casbah 4:25
A-3 18391-10 (JB491-10) Sleep 3:15
A-4 18403-1 (JB503-1) Figure Eights 4:26
SIDE-B
B-1 18387-6 (JB487-6) Yesterdays 4:15
B-2 18390-2/3 (JB490-2/3) Big Foot (edited version) 4:59
B-3 18388-7/? (JB488-7/?) Limehouse Blues (edited version) 3:42
B-4 18392-2 (JB492-2) Toot Toot Tootsie Goodbye 3:50

Personnel


Personnel/recorded date/master numbers confirmed with the Ruppli's discography.
(“The Mercury Labels - A Discography” by Ruppli and Novitsky, Greenwood Press, 1993)

Recent CD reissue (Mercury 826 987-2) has several alternate takes.
Furthermore, “The Complete Mercury Recordings of Max Roach” (Mosaic MD7-201) has one more alternate take.

UPDATE (Mar. 28, 2006):
According to John Carfizzi's information, B-2 “Big Foot” is a composite version of mainly the master take 3, while the entire drum exchange chorus section comes from alternate take 2. Also, the bass and drum intro at the very beginning was edited out.
A-1 “Sing, Sing, Sing” is an edited version of the master take 8 (the very last part of Max Roach's drum solo was edited shorter by a few notes).
B-3 “Limehouse Blues” is an edited version, with the piano intro and the opening ensemble chorus taken from a complete different unknown take (NOT the alternate take 3), then joins up with the master take 7 at the start of the first chorus by Buddy Rich's band.

Buddy Rich Quintet:
Phil Woods (as), Willie Dennis (tb), John Bunch (p), Phil Leshin (b), Buddy Rich (ds).

Max Roach Quintet:
Tommy Turrentine (tp), Julian Priester (tb), Stanley Turrentine (ts), Bobby Boswell (b), Max Roach (ds).

Arranged by Gigi Gryce.

Recorded at Fine Recording, New York City on April 7 and 8, 1959.

William T. (Bill) Stoddard, recording engineer.

The Artist Also Appears on...

Buddy Rich (ds) :
  • Mercury MG-25023 10-inch : Flip Phillips Quartet
  • Mercury MG-35007 / MG VOL.6 10-inch : Jazz At The Philharmonic Volume 6
  • Mercury MG VOL.12 10-inch : Jazz At The Philharmonic Volume 12
  • Mercury MG VOL.14 10-inch : Jazz At The Philharmonic Volume 14
  • Mercury MG C-105 10-inch : Flip Phillips Quartet (reissue of MG-25023)
  • Mercury MG C-108 10-inch : Lester Young Collates
  • Mercury MG C-505 10-inch : Afro-Cuban Jazz Suite / Machito and his Orchestra
  • Mercury MG C-508 / MG C-608 : Jazz At The Philharmonic - How High The Moon
  • Mercury MG C-512 10-inch : Bird & Diz / Charlie Parker - Dizzy Gillespie
Max Roach (ds, ldr) :
  • EmArcy MG-26043 10-inch : Clifford Brown & Max Roach
  • EmArcy MG-36008 : Clifford Brown & Max Roach Incorporated
  • EmArcy MG-36036 : Clifford Brown & Max Roach
  • EmArcy MG-36037 : Study In Brown / Clifford Brown & Max Roach
  • EmArcy MG-36070 : Clifford Brown & Max Roach At Basin Street
  • EmArcy MG-36098 : Max Roach Plus Four
  • EmArcy MG-36108 / SR-80002 : Jazz In Three-Quarter Time
  • EmArcy MG-36127 / SR-80019 : Max Roach Plus Four Plays Charlie Parker
  • EmArcy MG-36132 : Max Roach Plus Four On The Chicago Scene
  • EmArcy MG-36140 / SR-80010 : Max Roach Plus Four At Newport
  • EmArcy MG-36144 / SR-80015 : Max Roach With The Boston Percussion Ensemble
  • Mercury MG-20448 / SR-60133 : Rich Versus Roach / Buddy Rich & Max Roach
  • Mercury MG-20491 / SR-60170 : Quiet As It's Kept
  • Mercury MG-20524 / SR-60201 : Max Roach Plus Four At Newport (reissue of MG-36140 / SR-80010)
  • Mercury MG-20529 / SR-60206 : Max Roach With The Boston Percussion Ensemble (reissue of MG-36144 / SR-80015)
  • Mercury MG-20532 / SR-60209 : Max Roach 4 Plays Charlie Parker (reissue of MG-36127 / SR-80019)
  • Mercury MG-20538 / SR-60193 : Jazz In Three-Quartet Time (reissue of MG-36108 / SR-80002)
  • Mercury MG-20539 / SR-60215 : Moon Faced And Starry Eyed
  • Mercury MG-20559 / SR-60128 : Max Roach Plus Four On The Chicago Scene (reissue of MG-36132)
  • Mercury MG-20760 / SR-60760 : Parisian Sketches
  • Mercury MG-20911 / SR-60911 : The Many Sides Of Max
  • EmArcy MG-36000 : Dinah Jams Featuring Dinah Washington
  • EmArcy MG-36002 : Jam Session / Various Artists
  • EmArcy MG-36003 : Clifford Brown With Strings
  • EmArcy MG-36009 : Jam Session Featuring Maynard Ferguson
  • EmArcy MG-36039 : Best Coast Jazz / Various Artists
  • EmArcy MG-36043 : Julian “Cannonball” Adderley
  • EmArcy MG-36066 : Introducing Jimmy Cleveland and his All-Stars
  • EmArcy MG-36102 : Caravan / Clifford Brown All-Stars
  • EmArcy MG-36141 / SR-80019 : Newport '58 / Various Artists
  • Mercury MG-35012 / MG C-102 / MG C-502 10-inch : Piano Solos / Bud Powell
  • Mercury MG C-109 10-inch : Flip Phillips Collates
  • Mercury MG C-507 10-inch : Piano Solos, No.2 / Bud Powell
  • Mercury MG C-512 10-inch : Bird & Diz / Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie
  • Mercury MG C-513 10-inch : Charlie Parker Plays South Of The Border
  • Mercury MG-20523 / SR-60200 : Newport '58 / Various Artists (reissue of MG-36141 / SR-80009)


Jackets

Front Back
[MG-20448 FRONT] [MG-20448 BACK]


Labels

Side A Side B
[MG-20448 A] [MG-20448 B]


Inner Sleeve

Front Back
[MG-20448 FRONT SLEEVE] [MG-20448 BACK SLEEVE]


MATSUBAYASHI 'Shaolin' Kohji <shaolin@rhythmaning.org>
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